I used to use rhetoric all the time with my parents for permits to parties. They never liked it that I would get home really late so they preferred that i wouldn't go out. They would always try to not to give me permits but i would use rhetoric to convince them that they really had no reason to not give me permit to go out. I think it was mostly Logos because i used the logic that if i was done with all my homework, done with all my chores, and I didn't have anything else the next day then there was no reason to not let me out. Although sometimes Pathos had to do its job because sometimes they persisted with saying no, so I would have to change my argument and try to go for the feelings of my mom. After a while of discussing it my mom would feel bad about saying no because I would like tell her that I've been helping her all the days and she would then feel that I should get rewarded for helping her. The only bad thing is that Pathos doesn't work with my dad so I would have to step it up a bit with my Logos. There have been like 3 times that I've had to use rhetoric and really had to convince my parents and it was to go to parties to a city like 2 hours away, but i got away with it so my use rhetoric really worked.